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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: installing kermit
Date: 16 Aug 1997 14:53:10 GMT
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In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.970816011948.10089B-100000@u3.farm.idt.net>,
Tom Malloy <tmalloy@idt.net> wrote:
: My provider does not have, or plan to install, kermit.
:
Why not? Aren't business people supposed to try to please their customers?
If not, how do they stay in business?
: Which files do need to install Ckermit on a bsdi system? Do I need to
: compile it?
:
No, we have a prebuilt binary for BSDI 2.1. So you don't even have to
depend on your provider to provide a C compiler.
The bare minimum is just the binary:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/ckuker.bsdi-2.1
The accompanying text files (initialization files, installation instructions,
hints and tips, etc) are in:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku192txt.zip (or tar.Z or tar.gz)
Of course you can compile it if you want to. The source code is in:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku192src.tar.{gz,Z}
Uncompress, untar, "make bsdi".
: Also is it possible to log the usage of kermit so that I can show the sys
: admin that it is being used and thereby prompt him to put it in system
: space and not my own.
:
Kermit can produce all sorts of logs, but probably not the kind you are
thinking about (some kind of centralized log, like wtmp?). For example, it
can keep a log of all the files it transfers. But it's not automatic -- the
user has to request it with the "log transactions <filename> append"
command, and it's a separate log for each user, and it's also a new file
unless the "append" keyword is included. Even then, the results are
unpredictable if more than one user has the same logfile open at once.
And then how would we ensure that logging was always done? You could put
this command into the initialization file, but the initialization file is in
the user's home directory, so you'd need to get every user to cooperate.
And where would you put the log, and against whom would it be charged?
Or you could have a system-wide initialization file, but then you'd need to
the sysadmin to install for you and that's the problem you're trying to
solve in the first place.
I'd be interested to know why the provider refuses to install it in the
first place. Exactly what kind of misapprehension causes this attitude?
Maybe they are just trying to discourage use of shell accounts? What other
applications do they refuse to install?
In the meantime, I'll think a little more about the logging issue. But
note: even if Kermit did create wtmp entries, you'd probably need the
sysadmin to set this up for you, since at the very least, the sysadmin has
to manage the log. And finally, exactly what should be recorded in a
central log? This might raise some serious privacy issues...
- Frank